notes from the bringing it all together workshop

Ideas and outcomes notes

Common aggregation site, encoding and other workshops possible before wrap up later

Go round for proposals for specific final workshops etc

Ideas and Outcomes workshop

Common aggregation site, idea to search across all of our content and have it all in one place, collection of feeds to load into player or whatever

Common data strructure, RDF idea using same metadata and video files system

Common database of screenings group – civicrm as pusuing common codecs.. is it possible…. Screeners could be tagged with topics

democracy player a system that works well so how can we optimise for that in our networks.....

how to work together, elist, wiki

training network - zoe, jaro, jerry, brian and others

andy and ale looking into network centric transcoding service, perhaps python ..

ben - not another mailing list but excited by an old thing, online communities, discussion fora instead of mailing lists, archivable and thusremain useful, searchable through gooogle

shared online community discussion forum - could link with commitment to common documentation through wikibooks

[14:53] zoeyoung: shared central doc site which can also host discussion and threads

[14:54] zoeyoung: group of people here could be an editorial collective and attempt a dvd showcase

[14:54] zoeyoung: ccutting edge o n radical video and why we do it

[14:54] zoeyoung: sharing common data and common aggregation

[14:54] zoeyoung: where possible, use existing, acessible maintsream tool

[14:54] zoeyoung: eg video bomb, bitzi, dabble

[14:55] zoeyoung: social networking tools that attempt to aggregate and describe media content

[14:55] zoeyoung: more understanding outcomes:

[14:55] zoeyoung: more understanding from producers of what is needed by screeners and distributors

[14:56] zoeyoung: more understanding by techies of how the toools would best be used

[14:56] zoeyoung: downstream understanding

[14:56] zoeyoung: deedee

[14:56] zoeyoung: every city should have a fort like this

[14:57] zoeyoung: all of the above, plus notice at start of film about most appropriate use

[14:57] zoeyoung: socially and ethically advisory - need to discuss more on this if we are to do it

[14:57] zoeyoung: who decides, how....

[14:58] be1: notes that we don't know this guys name.. somebody who knows should type it now

[14:59] zoeyoung: **** during this meeting, we acquire new instruments, others are conscious to do this. new instruments for transcoding, editing, translation, new kinds of player, mobile tech... for common target after the meeting, maybe another meeting next year on this topic

[14:59] zoeyoung: we need to find a target together and share our knowledge and passion

[14:59] zoeyoung: if tere is a problem at the edge of this, we can start here and continue online

[15:00] zoeyoung: we've all met each other, and the idea of independent activism, hacking inside the maionstream, can work on a platform of sharing this knowledge

[15:00] zoeyoung: basically updating this sharing\

[15:00] zoeyoung: tv scheduling english version... personal target

[15:01] zoeyoung: working on a platform made by a web archive

[15:01] zoeyoung: remote controlled scheduling system\

[15:01] zoeyoung: for telestreet around the country...

[15:01] zoeyoung: possibility of an english channel flowing to the web

[15:01] zoeyoung: scheduled together with the kind of transcoding learbned in thius session

[15:01] zoeyoung: maybe more dream than target, but personal idea...

[15:02] zoeyoung: fabian
[15:02] zoeyoung: talking about another transmissions meeting... he'll come back

[15:02] zoeyoung: blank

[15:03] zoeyoung: common documentation and tutorials on how to use things for non tech people

[15:03] zoeyoung: big gap there

[15:03] zoeyoung: more user friendly guides to software

[15:03] zoeyoung: jerry

[15:03] zoeyoung: can we create a collaborative production platform

[15:03] zoeyoung: to see if we can share videos

[15:04] zoeyoung: to see if videos are more relevant in another context, on or offline,

[15:04] zoeyoung: allowing more collaboration

[15:04] zoeyoung: ongoing basisi, global

[15:04] zoeyoung: if possible

[15:04] zoeyoung: ??? name?

[15:04] zoeyoung: could establish a way to collaborate with existing materials

[15:04] zoeyoung: archive of foootage

[15:05] zoeyoung: to find a net way out of computer??

[15:05] zoeyoung: how to bring the work done by people here to the offline world

[15:05] zoeyoung: travelling tool, installation

[15:05] zoeyoung: cinema/burnstation....?

[15:06] zoeyoung: gateways to the real world

[15:06] zoeyoung: soma was the tool for collaborative scheduling plot

[15:06] zoeyoung: meeting v interesting

[15:06] zoeyoung: interaction between programmers and film makers

[15:07] zoeyoung: good as a first step in communiucation, working together for social change.

[15:07] zoeyoung: need more understanding of how this process should develop

[15:07] zoeyoung: political goal of common platform to work

[15:08] zoeyoung: if tech people can think this is not just between developers and users, but people and situations and problems thhat are filmed should also be brought into the discussion.

[15:08] zoeyoung: how do we do outreach from these places

[15:08] zoeyoung: to reach those not yet at this level, toools and strategies to teach them, or reach people we don;t yet kn ow who are at this level????

[15:09] zoeyoung: that was jaro

[15:09] zoeyoung: now simon

[15:09] zoeyoung: common database of screeners

[15:09] zoeyoung: crm2.metamute.org

[15:09] zoeyoung: actively working on thhat

[15:09] zoeyoung: now

[15:09] zoeyoung: carrying on research on web tv news

[15:09] zoeyoung: relates to soma etc tech

[15:10] zoeyoung: simon carrying this on

[15:10] zoeyoung: as research, could link to collaborative production

[15:10] zoeyoung: are we making cnn here

[15:10] zoeyoung: marcellle

[15:10] zoeyoung: important to continue working together

[15:10] zoeyoung: use mailing list to continue discussions

[15:11] zoeyoung: if necessary to have tech discussions can separate list

Holmes
Subtitles, interesting, would like too work on that, very important and doable. So every video is available in every language.. given peoples ability to help

Seline
Mostly said already, drawing together, talking to each other, getting into specialised areas into more global platforms. Close gap between tech and users

Simon Vienna
Likes it here and the political issues discussed, wants to interlink artists and screeners in Vienna to the content, produce and exchange more arts and politics in Vienna.. keen on finding collaborative production platform that covers every need… hard with so many cms…

And
Missing is an enormous collaborative tag cloud of everything that is there, collective del.ici.ous sort of thing….links to video sites etc

Agnese
A lot of the above, common transcoding service, work on organising the documentation, a lot of notes and links, be good to reflect on these, make them clear and complete and source of understanding

Gerbrand
Nothing to add
An ditto

Pinna from italy, not directly involved in video prod or distro but copyleft books and films
Some of the ideas from the meeting share topics with music .. will try to follow up meeting…

Research ion

Bryan
Common data structure, good ways to document using wikipedia etc, leveraging other communities’ efforts too…. Not to replicate work

Maxigas
All the projects are mentioned. Ethical info and subtitles topics need to communicate with other working groups… way to be practical is to include these data in upload forms of videos, and in rdf
So these groups should produce recommendations for the rrelevant techies..?

Mick
Collaborative production platform, how to inout info and make sure it gets used in a way you’re happy wth, and to pool translation tools and practices within that process.

Simon, something about science, is anyone documenting this movement? Yes we are!

Fabian
Need a process of production that is analogue, not broken up… doesn’t separate process of making from process of receiving material. Important to think about this when making something.
Assuming concrete collaborations, and from the deco-productions, education on various aspects, and debate this collaboration should include debates on technical aspects, possibility of funding. The possibility of common platforms to facilitate the work of distribution. Meanwhile the proposal is to generate a strong politics of promoting the particular work of every one of here. As a small action or gesture between the companeros, request that we make link exchange with each other. Send to agora tv your links and they will link to you. Take in to account that whoever funds, comes from the power, so we have to. e careful of conditions being attached. Soros is not a good person, bfor us is our enemy because an exploiter, so interesting that it’s possible to have these meetings without these strings. Another issue not often discussed are the different conditions in first and third world, states and business from the third world, exploit populations, the proposal is to take this topic as central to the work we are producing. There is a topic we worry about a company , political prisoners from struggling on certain issues, on this there is less difference between first and third world.

Proposal from jerry
Small sticker, 18 by 20 that says ‘transmissions’ that we can all put on our sites

Mick and anna now going to try and amalgamate proposals into 4 or so sessions…
Or,s show of hands to see whos into what… or… summarise em all…
Ok back to plan…

Should have a person from video making in each group, more exchange of skills, eg techies can learn camera too….

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info….

Group 1, common aggregation sit e, dvd,

Group 2 about codecs and transcoding service

Group 3 common data structure and rdf

Group 4 our network, support with devt, knowledge sharing, preparing next gathering

Group 5 common documentation project, and documentation of the event

Group 6 outreach and training..?